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Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:20 am
by theKENDOG
jt3 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:13 pm
Why is it so darn crowded lately on our hills? I know COVID has impacted everything and everyone differently, but is it people aren’t working or now in-person school? As mentioned above, random weekdays are beyond normal holiday weekend crowds. It’s not been fun...
1) Good snow conditions
2) Pent up demand after no vacations all summer.
3) People can drive here and don't have to fly.
Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:08 pm
by Wanakenatransplant
dreamnofpow wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:42 pm
Azucar conveniently adjusted their webcams so you cannot see the cluster &(*@#$ at the base and Easy Street.
Happy the resorts are making money after the last few dismal seasons, the crowds are ridiculous though.
Well criminal Costin at Beech dropped his base camera off the website altogether, most likely due to the crowds at the bottom. He and Gunther are very lucky the health department and sheriff have not shut them down for not following and maintaining Covid state rules. Just about every other business in the state has had to follow them, except the ski areas.
Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:39 pm
by canadianbacon828
Wanakenatransplant wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:08 pm
dreamnofpow wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:42 pm
Azucar conveniently adjusted their webcams so you cannot see the cluster &(*@#$ at the base and Easy Street.
Happy the resorts are making money after the last few dismal seasons, the crowds are ridiculous though.
Well criminal Costin at Beech dropped his base camera off the website altogether, most likely due to the crowds at the bottom. He and Gunther are very lucky the health department and sheriff have not shut them down for not following and maintaining Covid state rules. Just about every other business in the state has had to follow them, except the ski areas.
Not accurate. Every time I have been to any resort in our region, face coverings have been enforced with zero tolerance. I have seen non-compliant customers escorted off by security and PD at literally every resort. From my experience App, Cat, Beech, and Sugar have all done good jobs enforcing Covid-19 regulations including the current Stay at Home order. It is also not a "criminal" offense to install a new webcam despite your pre-conceived opinion. Posts like yours are part of the problem not the solution. I have many friends that work in the industry. If you knew what resorts dealt with on a daily basis to ensure that we even have a ski season maybe you wouldn't be so quick to spread misinformation. Every resort has also limited capacity and virtually sold out every day. If crowds bother you, maybe stay away from ski areas for the time being. The problem is people traveling when they shouldn't, kids aren't in school (at least not full time), people are working from home, people have zero regard for Covid-19 restrictions in NC (or anywhere really), are entitled, and have plenty of free time. The blame needs to be placed where it is due which is on the "customers" not following restrictions, not the businesses.
Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:05 pm
by almost good
Wolf Ridge is never crowded on weekdays and usually not too bad on weekends. Check their webcam.
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Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:36 pm
by Wanakenatransplant
canadianbacon828 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:39 pm
Wanakenatransplant wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:08 pm
dreamnofpow wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:42 pm
Azucar conveniently adjusted their webcams so you cannot see the cluster &(*@#$ at the base and Easy Street.
Happy the resorts are making money after the last few dismal seasons, the crowds are ridiculous though.
Well criminal Costin at Beech dropped his base camera off the website altogether, most likely due to the crowds at the bottom. He and Gunther are very lucky the health department and sheriff have not shut them down for not following and maintaining Covid state rules. Just about every other business in the state has had to follow them, except the ski areas.
Not accurate. Every time I have been to any resort in our region, face coverings have been enforced with zero tolerance. I have seen non-compliant customers escorted off by security and PD at literally every resort. From my experience App, Cat, Beech, and Sugar have all done good jobs enforcing Covid-19 regulations including the current Stay at Home order. It is also not a "criminal" offense to install a new webcam despite your pre-conceived opinion. Posts like yours are part of the problem not the solution. I have many friends that work in the industry. If you knew what resorts dealt with on a daily basis to ensure that we even have a ski season maybe you wouldn't be so quick to spread misinformation. Every resort has also limited capacity and virtually sold out every day. If crowds bother you, maybe stay away from ski areas for the time being. The problem is people traveling when they shouldn't, kids aren't in school (at least not full time), people are working from home, people have zero regard for Covid-19 restrictions in NC (or anywhere really), are entitled, and have plenty of free time. The blame needs to be placed where it is due which is on the "customers" not following restrictions, not the businesses.
I wouldn't agree with most of your opinions either. Have you seen the crowds on weekends? They are worse than ever, especially at Beech and Sugar.. This is not limited capacity! Resorts may be removing a few of the worst of the worst guests, but in general they are not kicking out enough customers that are not following the rules and are not respecting fellow skiers that are attempting to follow the rules. I do agree with you that there are too many people not following the rules, but it's the resorts responsibility to remove these people. If they can't control their customers, then maybe they should scale back even further or maybe they shouldn't be open. There are plenty of other businesses in the pandemic that have been forced to scale back or shut down due to the NC rules and the resorts should have to follow the same rules as well.
Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:24 am
by brigand
canadianbacon828 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:39 pm
Not accurate. ... It is also not a "criminal" offense to install a new webcam despite your pre-conceived opinion. Posts like yours are part of the problem not the solution ....The blame needs to be placed where it is due which is on the "customers" not following restrictions, not the businesses.
No, the webcam thing is super sketchy. Sugar is my closest drive, and I am watching the webcams daily from opening day on. WELL before they installed the new webcam, they tilted them both up 10 degrees (including the one not replaced) to ensure you couldn't see how crowded it is.
I'm not saying they are hiding themselves breaking the law, not enforcing the mask policy, etc - on the contrary, already been there 6 days this season, and they were enforcing the mask policy in line every time I was there. But they are absolutely trying to make out-of-towners/single-trip-a-year folks who don't read this forum and just look at the website think the slopes aren't crowded, so they wont be scared off and commit to their winter vacation.
Enforcing the mask policy doesn't cost them any money; people balking at driving up because it's a cluster-f**k DOES cost them money. There's no grand conspiracy going on, it's business.
Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:43 am
by jt3
We need a crowd report thread? I’m not riding up there again until it calms down. I’m not as concerned about masks as I am the crowds on these narrow slopes are dangerous. That northridge switchback at sugar has been super sketch with all the crowds. One falls and 12 stop across the entire trail to help...
Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:56 am
by canadianbacon828
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I wouldn't agree with most of your opinions either. Have you seen the crowds on weekends? They are worse than ever, especially at Beech and Sugar.. This is not limited capacity! Resorts may be removing a few of the worst of the worst guests, but in general they are not kicking out enough customers that are not following the rules and are not respecting fellow skiers that are attempting to follow the rules. I do agree with you that there are too many people not following the rules, but it's the resorts responsibility to remove these people. If they can't control their customers, then maybe they should scale back even further or maybe they shouldn't be open. There are plenty of other businesses in the pandemic that have been forced to scale back or shut down due to the NC rules and the resorts should have to follow the same rules as well.
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Then don't go? What else do you want to hear? Both resorts you mentioned saw record crowds this summer too. All resorts have limited their capacity significantly per regulations. If you think that number should be even smaller, stay away until it's conducive to whatever you are comfortable with
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Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:57 am
by canadianbacon828
jt3 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:43 am
We need a crowd report thread? I’m not riding up there again until it calms down. I’m not as concerned about masks as I am the crowds on these narrow slopes are dangerous. That northridge switchback at sugar has been super sketch with all the crowds. One falls and 12 stop across the entire trail to help...
Honestly expect every weekend to be similar to the crowds over MLK. Go during the week if you can, otherwise expect lines. Is what it is until people have to return to a normal work/school schedule.
Re: Is Sugar not selling advance lift tickets online?
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:01 am
by canadianbacon828
brigand wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:24 am
canadianbacon828 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:39 pm
Not accurate. ... It is also not a "criminal" offense to install a new webcam despite your pre-conceived opinion. Posts like yours are part of the problem not the solution ....The blame needs to be placed where it is due which is on the "customers" not following restrictions, not the businesses.
No, the webcam thing is super sketchy. Sugar is my closest drive, and I am watching the webcams daily from opening day on. WELL before they installed the new webcam, they tilted them both up 10 degrees (including the one not replaced) to ensure you couldn't see how crowded it is.
I'm not saying they are hiding themselves breaking the law, not enforcing the mask policy, etc - on the contrary, already been there 6 days this season, and they were enforcing the mask policy in line every time I was there. But they are absolutely trying to make out-of-towners/single-trip-a-year folks who don't read this forum and just look at the website think the slopes aren't crowded, so they wont be scared off and commit to their winter vacation.
Enforcing the mask policy doesn't cost them any money; people balking at driving up because it's a cluster-f**k DOES cost them money. There's no grand conspiracy going on, it's business.
Not to be a broken record but just don't go on a weekend? If you aren't comfortable with the amount of people there then try to go during the week. Or you can just continue to go on a weekend when it's busy and keep complaining. Is what it is. Good conditions and people don't have to work.